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While we are stalled and waiting to travel, I've written a new book called Whiskey Lore's Travel Guide to Experiencing Kentucky Bourbon.

Friends in the Corner podcast host Dan Pauley reached out to talk with me about my new book, my love of travel and my love of whiskey. I enjoyed the interview and thought it might have some cool insider information for my listeners, so I am simulcasting the podcast on Travel Fuels Life. I hope you enjoy it.

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Hello everybody and welcome to Travel Fuels Life the show. We share stories tips and inspiration to help you live a travel lifestyle. I'm your host Drew Hanish. It's been a long time since I've heard that theme song. Yeah. I've been working on my whiskey Lord podcast, but I've been you know, it's hard to decide how to promote a travelpod cast when we're all in lockdown. So while we're all sitting here in neutral, I had to find a little separate project to do this has been a really weird year for me because I had decided to push all of my travels into April and I was saving my money to really do it right going to Spain with my sister was going to go to Ireland and start getting some Went for a travel book for Ireland and lo and behold. Look what happened. So luckily got all my money back and got all my points back miles and points are all back on pushed the trip out with my sister to October and we're hoping that Spain will open back up Ireland's just going to have to wait till next year unfortunately, but I know you guys are going through all of this stuff too. It is not fun. 

So we have to find different things to do. Hopefully none of you got caught up in all of this mess, but I know a few people probably did and hope everybody is healthy and happy. So with all this down time it gave me time to finish my travel guide and it's a book. It's my first book and it's been sponsored by my other travelpod cast which is also built around whiskey and history which is whiskey lure and the book is called the travel. Guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon and the idea there was to take all that knowledge that I was gathering from going to my 35 Plus distilleries in Kentucky and put together a solid planning guide that not only had 32 Distillery profiles in it. So you could choose which Distillery you want to go to but also to give some background on Whiskey history tasting techniques and all the stuff that will get you prepped for the tour. 

So the book is out on Amazon. It is right now in a paperback a Kindle and I'm running a special on the price on the Kindle right now. And then I have an audiobook version that may not be out until the end of next month because apparently Amazon is really backed up on the proving audiobooks. So we'll see how all of that goes, but they'll be little stories and you get to hear your humble announcer here, you know trying to adjust his style too. No background noise no music and just doing a book reading. So it was a lot of fun and I hope you guys will enjoy that but while I was trying to figure out how to promote travel here again on the podcast. I really wanted to put some content out. So you guys didn't think that this was a pod fading podcast and that there was going to be more content coming up in the future. So I took some inspiration from traveling Jack. Because she shared my show the episode that she was on she basically simulcasted that over on her podcast and I appreciated her doing that and when a friend of mine Dan Pauly contacted me and was offering to do an interview with me. He does a kentucky-based podcast that does stories and news from around, Kentucky. He contacted me and he said I'd like for you to be a guest on my podcast talk about your new book. And so I was like, this is great. I got to do a PR tour and this would be a good way to get started with that. And so he hosts a podcast called friends in the corner and he we met actually at his job. He works at Castle and key Distillery, which is a 19th century Distillery that was built in the shape of a castle. 

Is right there off the road in Kentucky and we talked a little bit after the tour and I told him I was working on the book and so Dan is a great interviewer. He asked me some really good questions. And so I want to share that with you. Some of this is whiskey based some of this is travel based. It's going to give you a little background on me and how I kind of got started in the whole travel thing talked about how I fell in love. Love with whiskey and whiskey travel. And talk about my impressions of Kentucky and I just might reveal what my three favorite Distillery tours are in Kentucky. So stick around for that and at the end of the show, I am going to fill you in a little bit more on what's coming up on Travel Fuels Life and also whiskey lore so stick around for that as well. But for now, let's get into the interview. Here's Dan Polly of the friends in the corner podcast. All right back with another special guest Drew hanashite traveling and bourbon Enthusiast host of Travel Fuels Life and whiskey Lord Drew. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. How are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing good all things considered with everything going on the world. I'm assuming you're probably not doing too much traveling these dates. 

No, no here. I'm you know, I'm doing a book about Kentucky bourbon and I've got planning out how I'm going to do the launch for it and I'm saying man, I would love to go up to a Kentucky Distillery. And do you know the launch of my book but I'm having to find a South Carolina Distillery to do it at so that that still works and it kind of is a shout-out to craft distillers of the world. But yeah it I told them I said it feels a little awkward doing a Kentucky book. 

In South Carolina, but we're going to try to pull it off well, and that's something you got into. We're going to be talking a little bit about your book. You have coming up here a little bit later on in the show. But yeah, it's before the book was starting to come out. You did a few different tours of Kentucky. And I know that's how we first met you came down to Castle and key Distillery to do a tour with me. We got to exchange cards. And since then I've been listening to your show really love listening to it and really kind of seen all the different travels that you've gone through so You know just to kind of get things started here Drew. Can you tell my listeners a little bit about who you are and where you're from sure was born in Michigan, but I grew up in Asheville North Carolina and have pretty much hung around North and South Carolina's most of my life. I was in radio actually when I started out many many years ago, but evolved into becoming a web designer and I was a web designer for and have been for 18 years. I still have a web design business. 

That I run and that actually is what helps fuel my travels is having steady income coming from that already. So that was my that's been my identity for a long time is being a web designer. But what's interesting about that life path is that After being a corporate webmaster for five years. I got laid off right after 2001 when we went through a little recession at that point, and I had a decision to make and the decision was do I go into web design, or I've really always wanted to be a travel writer. Maybe I should just go back to school. So I decided to go back to school but also was doing web design to supplement my income on the side and after a Year's worth of going to school suddenly the 

Design companies took off and there was nothing there was no choice really I had to go where the money was with web design. And so here I am 18 years later. It's like wow, okay, it just put that travel on pause for 18 years, but now it's time to start kicking it up again. So so that is become much more of what I've been doing over the last two years is doing a whole lot more travel and I've gotten a chance to listen to both of your podcast both your shows and blogs whiskey lower and travel feels life. They both do a good job of highlighting your passions in your life, including history travel and whiskey and I love that kind of unpack all those during this episode here at especially since we just started talking about traveling. So what was it that really got you passionate about traveling traveling all started with my dad he 

I also like to write he loved to research and he loved history. So I am my Father's son. It really all started with us going out while he was doing his research for books on presidents families. So we traveled to just about every state east of the Mississippi by the time I was 15 years old, and I've been to every president's graveyard home your name at Presidential Library. Pretty much covered the gamut. Growing up and my father just exuded history. And so any time you went somewhere for went to Colonial Williamsburg. It's like I have my own tour guide. He just was so full of great stories and information that that it was it was exciting to to listen to that. So so I got both my history and my travel through my dad and I feel more comfortable on the road than I do at home. It's just that and that makes Times Like These really awkward cuz it's like I don't know what to do while I'm here. I guess I'll write books. I guess I'll keep podcasting and doing that sort of thing. But that that travel bug gets gets in yet. It's hard to let it go. I know you're mentioning about kind of getting your book start and trying to go up to come up here to Kentucky to a Distillery to remote it. But was there any other travels you had planned that kind of got kibosh because of covid? Yeah. I actually my sister and I were going to go to Spain and I wanted to go down to the southern region where I could go see where the 

Casks that everybody's using are coming from so that was one thing I wanted to do and I had a week-long trip planned for Ireland and I was going to go do Irish distilleries and just circle the island and go to Every open Irish just had it all planned out, you know, some interviews set up and then along this game so everything's just got put on hold for a while. I'll get there. I just haven't you know, I like everybody. I just got to wait this thing out. So yeah, it's thrown a curveball and everybody's plans. I wasn't traveling but I was supposed to get married this Summer and that all got their own tears quarter Wayside. We're still getting married just the wedding aspects a little in flux at the moment. Yeah. I hear you. It's interesting how this is has caused us all to rethink our lives for at least the temporary period for sure before before the pandemic took place.

And some of your favorite places you travel to so far man. Probably my two favorite countries that I've been to or Czech Republic and Scotland and Scotland's built around whiskey but I mean Scotland is just a beautiful place and the people are very down home and Me growing up in the mountains of North Carolina that whole scots-irish influence. It's really interesting because when you go to Scotland, you almost feel like you're home. It's just has that same kind. Kind of a feel to it the people have the same kind of feel to it. So and I have check in my family history. So so I think there's a little bit of a connection there that I feel too when when I go to Prague and I've driven around Czech Republic and that's beautiful place. Both. Both places are filled with castles. And so that's great too for the history lover and me the be able to go around and learn about these castles and and see what they're all about as well. So 

So those are fun and my first trip was actually the one that got all of this started for Travel Fuels Life was James Bond trip that I planned out. I had I was just building out my office and I got an American Express card and it came with points for however much money. I was spending on that office getting it set up and I thought well I got enough points. I could go to Paris for free. So I just went ahead and got my ticket book then I'm like 

After I started thinking about how I can't just spend two and a half weeks in Paris. I have to do something more than that. What can I do? So I start plotting out this drive across Europe going to every James Bond location that I could find. So that was that was a great trip because I took me to some of the most scenic beautiful places in Europe and having a car to rent and do it, you know, really just Just set me off with freedom to be able to go wherever I wanted to go. So that trip was was pretty amazing. Now that is there going to be a second but coming out Kentucky tours, and we do Kentucky chores now, we're doing James Bond Source. I thought about that actually at people ask me with travel fuel life. If I would actually take people over to Europe and do a guided tour of James Bond locations, and I that would be really cool to do. 

But my focus really now over the last year has shifted almost completely to Whiskey so my next whiskey book will be on Scotland because Scotland is just fascinating and there's a hundred distilleries that the a hundred thirty some-odd distilleries there. But there are different things you have to think about in terms of travel. Like if you're going to rent a car you got to drive on the left hand side of the road. I actually did a travel feels Life podcast episode around that where I recorded myself during my first 10 minutes driving getting into the car. I did this stupid thing. You just walk up to the car and you immediately try to get in the wrong side. So soon as I just not supposed to be here. Yeah, what's going where's the steering wheel? I'm not getting this this isn't right. And and so it was funny because it wasn't actually as hard as I thought it would be I'm dyslexic and I thought man this is going to be really tough for me, but it was actually a lot of fun and you know, so it's 

Overcoming those kinds of obstacles as well as finding which of these distilleries to go to and planning all of that stuff out so you can talked about 2 at the start how you wanted to start a blog about travel but then you know life got in the way you had to start making little bit of money into and then 18 years later you finally revisit their yes started travels feel life. So what was kind of the inspiration to finally say, you know what it's time for it's time for Me to start this start this show start this blog. I have to give a shout out to Tim Ferriss because I read his book The 4-Hour workweek and it basically while there's a lot of stuff in there that I don't agree with in terms of how you run a business for a business owner being able to figure out how to optimize your business down to a point where you're really not that necessary to being there. All the time is helpful. And so what happened was I really had no plans. 

On starting a travel lifestyle when I read that book. But I started putting some of those different techniques in play and organizing my office and getting it to where I didn't need to be chained to my desk all the time and I still sat behind my desk, but I was just sitting there going what I'm what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? And so finally I said, why am I wasting this time? I with the internet now, I can go have meetings online with people and I'm able to disconnect from my desk and still keep in touch with people and Do my work on the road. Why don't I just go and so that that James Bond trip is what opened my eyes to it because when I took that trip, I started thinking I should write about this and I should get no tell people where these places are at and kind of help them out. And so I started writing the blog and then I started thinking wait I need to do more with this because it started out as Drew Hanish.com and it's evolved into Travel Fuels Life because I thought 

I could help people with a lot more than just just this and I've got the time to go travel. So let me stretch my my wings a little bit and see what I can do with all of this. So it's it just evolved in a very odd way and then I'll send it slipped into whiskey because I was when I was looking for another theme trip to do and my friends were drinking Bourbon and scotch and I'm like, I've been a Beer Drinker all my life. What do I you know? But I had been wanting something different because I was kind of worn out beer and but I had a bad incident with a bottle of Jack Daniels when I was much younger and that I couldn't even smell whiskey for a long time because of that. So that's what kept me away from whiskey for the longest time, but man once once we start doing a little tastings over at my friend's house, I got curious about it, and I thought I should do a 

Trip up the Kentucky. So that's when I broke out and said, you know what? All right, I'm just gonna I'm gonna pick out 19 distilleries odd number. I'm going to pick out 19 Distillery to go to and eight days and I'm just going to learn about bourbon. I'm going to immerse myself in it and really learn it from front to back. So so that's how I ended up evolving from travel then on into into whiskey as well you saying he had a bag space? Ian so Jack Daniels took me back to college it was Evan bully me. But yeah, yes and Evan Williams was the first one that Drew me back into drinking whiskey which is which is interesting. But yeah, those first experiences those bad experiences can sometimes be a bit traumatic and it's amazing how your senses hold on to the memory of that and won't let it go because I mean that to this day I see people online doing 

Gunshots videos and stuff like that. I don't do shots. I throw back whiskey it will not work. My body will reject it. So it's so in a good way. I've become a sipper, you know, and and really this is the way I enjoyed drinking whiskey is to just sit there and really take some time with it and experience it rather than just kicking it back for a buzz. It's all about moderation, right? Yeah. Absolutely, and I this is kind of forced moderation. But but it works for me. I know I got to preview your book and I want to say thank you for that for let me have a sneak peek at it before the show started and I also read that you said you started off as a beer guy first and then you tried to dabble in wine, but wine didn't quite fit your fancy. Is that true? Yeah wine was well, I'm a single guy and so part of the issue of being single is that I would go out and buy a bottle. 

The wine and then I would drink the bottle of wine. It's like maybe it would last two days, but I'm like I do not need to be drinking this much and I enjoyed it. But it never it never hooked me. It was like yeah, this is good. I understand why people are into it, but it was actually the movie Sideways if people have seen that movie that got me interested in drinking wine because I was watching that that movie and the character Paul Giamatti. She is so into. Thing about wine. He knows the The Grapes he knows the Region's he knows the process and everything the flavors and I thought man, that's really cool. Actually if you could appreciate something that much but I just couldn't do it with wine and it was interesting because whiskey was was the perfect switch for me because I can just pour a little glass to Whiskey and be fine with that. I don't I don't Have to have a I don't have to worry about it going bad. It will take year years for it to go bad so I can leave it on the shelf and come back to it. When I want to what was it about whiskey that really captivated you I guess to say. I want to learn more about this. Well, I'll tell you what after doing the it was 17 distilleries in Kentucky and to and Tennessee on my way home and 

The thing is that it really fit fit me in many ways. It was something that was fitting my desire to go deeper into enjoying a particular drink that I was having into the history side of things. I love going to the different distilleries and hearing the stories that were coming out of each Distillery that I went to there's such a depth of American history and whiskey history and Just seeing the evolution that that fascinated me and then on top of that the process and understanding the nuances between all the different distilleries. And you know, when I started this I said, you know, there's a story behind every label and that's really what I wanted to get at was Finding. What is it that the marketing department isn't telling me about this whiskey that's really going to be fascinating and something. That will make me appreciate it even more and what I found was as I was going to distilleries, I'd be on the tours and then all of a sudden I hear conflicting historical information and I'm like, okay, this isn't quite right. I'm sorry that I just do as I'm told I'm a bad right and and that's I think that's true for a lot of people honestly, I think that's the same for historians because I find that as I'm trying to research

And some of your favorite places you travel to so far man. Probably my two favorite countries that I've been to or Czech Republic and Scotland and Scotland's built around whiskey but I mean Scotland is just a beautiful place and the people are very down home and Me growing up in the mountains of North Carolina that whole scots-irish influence. It's really interesting because when you go to Scotland, you almost feel like you're home. It's just has that same kind. Kind of a feel to it the people have the same kind of feel to it. So and I have check in my family history. So so I think there's a little bit of a connection there that I feel too when when I go to Prague and I've driven around Czech Republic and that's beautiful place. Both. Both places are filled with castles. And so that's great too for the history lover and me the be able to go around and learn about these castles and and see what they're all about as well. So 

So those are fun and my first trip was actually the one that got all of this started for Travel Fuels Life was James Bond trip that I planned out. I had I was just building out my office and I got an American Express card and it came with points for however much money. I was spending on that office getting it set up and I thought well I got enough points. I could go to Paris for free. So I just went ahead and got my ticket book then I'm like 

After I started thinking about how I can't just spend two and a half weeks in Paris. I have to do something more than that. What can I do? So I start plotting out this drive across Europe going to every James Bond location that I could find. So that was that was a great trip because I took me to some of the most scenic beautiful places in Europe and having a car to rent and do it, you know, really just Just set me off with freedom to be able to go wherever I wanted to go. So that trip was was pretty amazing. Now that is there going to be a second but coming out Kentucky tours, and we do Kentucky chores now, we're doing James Bond Source. I thought about that actually at people ask me with travel fuel life. If I would actually take people over to Europe and do a guided tour of James Bond locations, and I that would be really cool to do. 

But my focus really now over the last year has shifted almost completely to Whiskey so my next whiskey book will be on Scotland because Scotland is just fascinating and there's a hundred distilleries that the a hundred thirty some-odd distilleries there. But there are different things you have to think about in terms of travel. Like if you're going to rent a car you got to drive on the left hand side of the road. I actually did a travel feels Life podcast episode around that where I recorded myself during my first 10 minutes driving getting into the car. I did this stupid thing. You just walk up to the car and you immediately try to get in the wrong side. So soon as I just not supposed to be here. Yeah, what's going where's the steering wheel? I'm not getting this this isn't right. And and so it was funny because it wasn't actually as hard as I thought it would be I'm dyslexic and I thought man this is going to be really tough for me, but it was actually a lot of fun and you know, so it's 

Overcoming those kinds of obstacles as well as finding which of these distilleries to go to and planning all of that stuff out so you can talked about 2 at the start how you wanted to start a blog about travel but then you know life got in the way you had to start making little bit of money into and then 18 years later you finally revisit their yes started travels feel life. So what was kind of the inspiration to finally say, you know what it's time for it's time for Me to start this start this show start this blog. I have to give a shout out to Tim Ferriss because I read his book The 4-Hour workweek and it basically while there's a lot of stuff in there that I don't agree with in terms of how you run a business for a business owner being able to figure out how to optimize your business down to a point where you're really not that necessary to being there. All the time is helpful. And so what happened was I really had no plans. 

On starting a travel lifestyle when I read that book. But I started putting some of those different techniques in play and organizing my office and getting it to where I didn't need to be chained to my desk all the time and I still sat behind my desk, but I was just sitting there going what I'm what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? And so finally I said, why am I wasting this time? I with the internet now, I can go have meetings online with people and I'm able to disconnect from my desk and still keep in touch with people and Do my work on the road. Why don't I just go and so that that James Bond trip is what opened my eyes to it because when I took that trip, I started thinking I should write about this and I should get no tell people where these places are at and kind of help them out. And so I started writing the blog and then I started thinking wait I need to do more with this because it started out as Drew Hanish.com and it's evolved into Travel Fuels Life because I thought 

I could help people with a lot more than just just this and I've got the time to go travel. So let me stretch my my wings a little bit and see what I can do with all of this. So it's it just evolved in a very odd way and then I'll send it slipped into whiskey because I was when I was looking for another theme trip to do and my friends were drinking Bourbon and scotch and I'm like, I've been a Beer Drinker all my life. What do I you know? But I had been wanting something different because I was kind of worn out beer and but I had a bad incident with a bottle of Jack Daniels when I was much younger and that I couldn't even smell whiskey for a long time because of that. So that's what kept me away from whiskey for the longest time, but man once once we start doing a little tastings over at my friend's house, I got curious about it, and I thought I should do a 

Trip up the Kentucky. So that's when I broke out and said, you know what? All right, I'm just gonna I'm gonna pick out 19 distilleries odd number. I'm going to pick out 19 Distillery to go to and eight days and I'm just going to learn about bourbon. I'm going to immerse myself in it and really learn it from front to back. So so that's how I ended up evolving from travel then on into into whiskey as well you saying he had a bag space? Ian so Jack Daniels took me back to college it was Evan bully me. But yeah, yes and Evan Williams was the first one that Drew me back into drinking whiskey which is which is interesting. But yeah, those first experiences those bad experiences can sometimes be a bit traumatic and it's amazing how your senses hold on to the memory of that and won't let it go because I mean that to this day I see people online doing 

Gunshots videos and stuff like that. I don't do shots. I throw back whiskey it will not work. My body will reject it. So it's so in a good way. I've become a sipper, you know, and and really this is the way I enjoyed drinking whiskey is to just sit there and really take some time with it and experience it rather than just kicking it back for a buzz. It's all about moderation, right? Yeah. Absolutely, and I this is kind of forced moderation. But but it works for me. I know I got to preview your book and I want to say thank you for that for let me have a sneak peek at it before the show started and I also read that you said you started off as a beer guy first and then you tried to dabble in wine, but wine didn't quite fit your fancy. Is that true? Yeah wine was well, I'm a single guy and so part of the issue of being single is that I would go out and buy a bottle. 

The wine and then I would drink the bottle of wine. It's like maybe it would last two days, but I'm like I do not need to be drinking this much and I enjoyed it. But it never it never hooked me. It was like yeah, this is good. I understand why people are into it, but it was actually the movie Sideways if people have seen that movie that got me interested in drinking wine because I was watching that that movie and the character Paul Giamatti. She is so into. Thing about wine. He knows the The Grapes he knows the Region's he knows the process and everything the flavors and I thought man, that's really cool. Actually if you could appreciate something that much but I just couldn't do it with wine and it was interesting because whiskey was was the perfect switch for me because I can just pour a little glass to Whiskey and be fine with that. I don't I don't Have to have a I don't have to worry about it going bad. It will take year years for it to go bad so I can leave it on the shelf and come back to it. When I want to what was it about whiskey that really captivated you I guess to say. I want to learn more about this. Well, I'll tell you what after doing the it was 17 distilleries in Kentucky and to and Tennessee on my way home and 

The thing is that it really fit fit me in many ways. It was something that was fitting my desire to go deeper into enjoying a particular drink that I was having into the history side of things. I love going to the different distilleries and hearing the stories that were coming out of each Distillery that I went to there's such a depth of American history and whiskey history and Just seeing the evolution that that fascinated me and then on top of that the process and understanding the nuances between all the different distilleries. And you know, when I started this I said, you know, there's a story behind every label and that's really what I wanted to get at was Finding. What is it that the marketing department isn't telling me about this whiskey that's really going to be fascinating and something. That will make me appreciate it even more and what I found was as I was going to distilleries, I'd be on the tours and then all of a sudden I hear conflicting historical information and I'm like, okay, this isn't quite right. I'm sorry that I just do as I'm told I'm a bad right and and that's I think that's true for a lot of people honestly, I think that's the same for historians because I find that as I'm trying to research

Feel now that you've traveled through it for me. It really started with that that first impression being when we would drive as a family from Michigan down to Florida and the two states that we dreaded the most we're Ohio and Georgia because the two were so long and it felt like you would never get through them and then all of a sudden was like Kentucky and Tennessee where these two little Oasis in the middle you'd have the Kentucky Bluegrass has and you start climbing up into the Ins and then as your kind of rolling down through Tennessee, you've got more Mountains as you go along. So so it's funny because I always had a very positive impression of Kentucky and then I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina. So, you know, I mean I'm used to you know, Appalachian culture and you know, I went to a high school where we lived where we said we have the Rednecks on in one half of the school and the other half of the school where the Biltmore kids 

Had all the all the money so we were very, you know, Haves and Have Nots kind of a situation that I'm the one middle-class person in the in the middle of it. So it's that's never really affected me that much. I'm more look at the scenery and and and then get to know the people more comfortably I guess. I don't know I just I feel like everywhere. I've traveled in the world. The people are interesting wherever I go and they all have different personalities and like I want to learn what those personalities are. So and people in Kentucky been very friendly. I've had multiple people while I was going through Bardstown saying well, why don't you just live here? Well, I would actually, you know, the hard part is Louisville is, you know one airport that I'm tied to and if I want to travel a whole 

Lot and the airport matters a lot. So that's the reason why when I think of moving if I was going to do it for travel I would probably end up going to Washington DC or somewhere where there's multiple airports that I'd have choice and be able to travel inexpensively but it has crossed my mind because that six hour drive up from here to Kentucky as it's a little long, but it is very Scenic. So what were some of your favorite bond is experiences from traveling through, Kentucky? Key, well, of course, most of my focus has been on whiskey but I part of the focus of my book actually is adding in a little side trips and things to do, you know Churchill Downs was a lot of fun. I through the museum and I did the the tour through their walking along Whiskey Row and just you know it down a long Waterfront Park and all of that is is awesome. And a lot of it is driving the back rows. I love the Bluegrass Parkway. 

Cumberland Gap is beautiful. I'd love to you know, it just takes a long time to drive that way to get to Kentucky and usually I'm in a hurry but taking that seems a little drive through the mountains is pretty impressive and I went to it's interesting because last time I came up I decided to get off of I-75 and I took u.s. 25 between Corbin and Mount Vernon and that was a beautiful drive. I thought you 

It's like you take for granted. You're always trying to get somewhere in a hurry and you miss so much just by jumping off on a side road and seeing more of what rural Kentucky looks like rather than forcing yourself to always be in a hurry to get somewhere. So some beautiful areas. You're one of my favorite spots in Kentucky is actually that drive down McCracken pipe where you see the old distilleries from work. Glenn's Creek is with the old crow ruins down to Castle and key and then on to Woodford Reserve and the horse farms that go out in that direction. I think that's an amazing drive through that. It makes me feel like Scotland a little bit because it gets to a single Track Road. They're close to a single Track Road in some spots. And those are very prevalent in Scotland than its little hair-raising when your first driving down through there because you think it you know, 

Who's coming over the crest of a hill Oh, but it's it's actually go to Scotland and then Kentucky won't bother you at all as in say I've had a lot of close calls on that roads. Yeah, it's I've had my full on but I think that's true because like I live around here and sometimes I probably take for granted at just how beautiful the scenery is like and I'm just trying to get to work or trying to get to where I need to be you realize just how beautiful some of these horse farms out here are in some of their 

Lance I've it's been good. It's been Kentucky's been good to me the last time. Years, I do my best to try to take some side roads when I when I can because it's there is a whole lot more to see now. I know earlier on in the show you were mentioned about some of the tribal snafus you had going overseas when sitting in the wrong side of the car and a few other things when you were playing your Kentucky trip up here to check out these different distilleries. Was there any types of challenges you had when you were Traveling. Well, actually the only real issue. I'm pretty seasoned Travelers. So and have been around for the most part. I do a lot of research. So I try to avoid the snap who's as much as possible. But the one thing that I learned was I was going through this thing where I was I was trying to figure out how to get away from off spray bug spray with DEET. So I bought this bottle of this perfume. It's very powdery perfumy kind of stuff. It's the 

Version of off that comes without DEET and I prayed some of that on myself and I went down to Daniel Boone National Forest and I was I got out of my car and I started walking down to see the Cumberland River and as I start walking down this be started buzzing around me and then all of a sudden to be started buzzing around me and then all of a sudden I had this swarm of bees around me and I'm like, I gotta get out of here and they were all attracted to this off spray that I put on myself as like never Never never again and and the other staff who was on that same exact Drive, which was I've learned to download maps now on my GPS because when you get out in the middle of nowhere it it sometimes your your phone loses contact and it's like, okay, how do I get out of here? So that that was a little bit of a challenge, but but with the de stories, I think the biggest challenge that I had in planning all of that. It was just figuring out as a Solo Traveler whether about whether I needed to get hotels that were nearby the distilleries because I didn't want to go drinking and driving and what all the rules were around that and I couldn't find any blog posts that were talking about it. So I just felt like I was going into it having to be overly cautious because I didn't want to do something wrong. And so I probably planned it around fear of Making a mistake more than choosing the distilleries. I really wanted to go to the first time. So and that's what it really inspired. The book was if I can make this easier for other people than how can I do that? You know, how can I give them all the details ahead of time? So in all this you kind of mention is kind of inspired this book. The book is called whiskey lures travels guide to experiencing Kentucky bourbon it can so can you tell us a little bit about that book when we 

Like to become an ant where we can find it at sure so set May 26th as a as a hopefully firm date to do the launch of the book and so it'll be on Amazon. It'll be in the Kindle format. I'm going to do a paper back as well and an audio book on top of that. So they'll be multiple formats. It actually has a companion website that goes with the whiskey - floor.com website. I'll have 32 Ellery profiles planning so, you know, it's it's been fun putting this thing together. It's taking a while. It's been about six month process getting it all together, but I'm excited to get this launch going and and help people figure out now that we might be able to travel again soon how to spend some of those those traveling hours. So will I you mean are in your audiobook I am yeah. Yeah, that's interesting too because I had to learn how to read. 

Over again, it's funny because as you're reading it you're going it sounds like I'm reading this. Well, I was gonna say for me coming from a radio background. I also have to fight this feeling of going I'm mr. Announcer. And here's how it you know, so is nobody wants to listen to that. Yeah hours of that either. So I was gonna say one of my favorite things about whiskey lore was actually hear your narrations because you just have a such a smooth voice it a lot of Other History Podcast you listen to It's like oh, here's like a college history course, but you you have a way of really bringing people into the show, which is something I appreciate so good job on you man for just a strong voice to it. Well good. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's it's funny when you're sitting in the studio for 8 hours recording and re-recording and did I say that right? And what is this this correct? You you hope it's coming across and people getting the getting the feel of it and 

That's that's great. I'm pleased to hear that. So as we get ready to wind things down here, I wanted to ask you this question and I gave you a little bit of time to think on it before the show started. But if I was someone who was traveling Kentucky for the first time, what are our three distilleries you recommend me going to and during my travels? Yeah, this this would have been a very hard question right out of the blue because you hear people say it's like picking your favorite child. It definitely would be that Kind of a situation for me. So if you're going to go to one Distillery and you want to see everything, I would suggest going to Old Forester in Louisville. And the reason that I suggest old Forester is because it's the only Distillery that has an on-site Cooperage. And so if you go I think Tuesday through Saturday or maybe Tuesday through Sunday, I'm not sure but I think it's Tuesday through Saturday when they're in operation. You can actually hopefully catch them firing those.

Switches that I think is a great part of the whole experience of learning about Bourbon. And like I say, the only way you can see that otherwise in Kentucky is to go to Kentucky Cooperage and just do a Cooperage tour. So Foresters great for that. Plus they do bottling and they do they have this little thing where they roll the the casts down from upstairs and then they come out and they put them on a truck and when I was there at like noon they were banging a drum. And then they would take this flatbed truck filled with old Forester whiskey around the city. So I don't know how much that they still do. I was there during the first week when they first opened up, but but I think that's a I think that's a great tour another one that I really enjoy is Barton 1792 and that's a distillery. That's not it's in Bardstown. It's not on the Bourbon Trail. So a lot of people might neglect going there because it's not on there. 

I'd but it's worth a trip out to because it's a it's really how you see more of the industrial side of bourbon production, but they also have a history. It was the Tom Moore Distillery. And so you get some of that history as well. And if you do the estate to her it's state all their tours are free. The estate tour is a limited tour that runs once a day at 11 o'clock. You have to sign up for it ahead of time and it is a two plus hours. Our immersive tour through the Distillery process and seeing all aspects of it and you get to see the world's largest Bourbon Barrel. So that's that's an added attraction. So that's a good one for number three. It's maybe it's a cop-out but it kind of leads into the whole reason for the book as well. I think just like whiskey there's a Distillery for everybody. There's one that's going to hit your sweet spot and every Distillery I've been to in Kentucky has something to offer. They're all they 

Have their own personalities, you won't get bored going to 19 distilleries. They all have subtle nuances to them and and things that they focus on so for me, I say choose a Distillery that really kind of fits you everybody's got a different personality. They like history if they like the process if you go the Buffalo Trace they have warehouse and they focus a lot on that or if you want to see you know, eh Taylor's Dream of the of the castle Distillery and the show place then castle and key is great for that or go. See the ruins at Glenn's Creek and see how a bunch of really hardcore distillers who want to be Renegades do it over at that Distillery. It's just there's a there's a wide variety. So it's kind of just picking picking the one that fits you very cool. Well definitely some good Distillery store checkout. I've been to hand a bunch of them. They are worth the trip. Everyone's 

Their own flavor like you said to it. So if you're gonna come out to cats funky be sure to book Dan for your all your tour experiences. Absolutely what you it's been awesome having you on and I'm hoping when things lighten up here a little bit you'll be able to start traveling again and hopefully you'll come back up and see us up at Kentucky. You still need to come back to Castle and Key when our bourbon comes out. Well, thanks and I appreciate not only the the tour was great and everybody does need to go down to Castle and Key and check that out and ask for Dan and look for Ricky. I didn't get to see red keep. I understand you take care of him a little bit a little bit that we all kind of pitch in. He's a little little bit of a stinker sometime. Sometimes he wants attention. Sometimes hasn't he? He's got he's got his own personality about him. So Distillery cat was something I learned about while I was on Distillery tours through Kentucky to so definitely somebody to check out but no II appreciate it and thanks for having me on the show and let me talk a little bit about whiskey and history travel my 

Everything's till next time Drew. Well, thanks to the day. I'm Paulie and I appreciate him letting me share this episode with you and go check out his podcast at friends in the corner. You can find it on Apple podcast Google podcast, SoundCloud and wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, he should be out there. Meanwhile if you want to get whiskey Lords travel guide to experience and Kentucky bourbon do some bourbon travel planning and dreaming you can find it on paperback and Kindle Amazon. On.com or you can go to Whiskey - floor.com Kentucky book. And that'll take you right to the Amazon page. And as for me returning to podcasting on Travel Fuels Life to be honest with you. I really don't want to turn the show into like a weekly or bi-weekly reminder of what's going on in the world. So I'm contemplating the mission of travel feels life and I hope to have a single kick things off again episode coming up in the near future. But meanwhile, I'm going to start reliving some of the amazing travel that I've done over the last Last two years on instagram.com travel feels life and facebook.com slash travel fuels like so if you want to have a conversation talk about anything out there catch me in either of those two spots in the meantime keep making those plans and dreaming of travel I drew Hanish be safe and thanks for listening to Travel Fuels Life.

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